The rise of Sunday Silence

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Starine wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:26 pm I wonder what the strike rate is for Agnes Gold to Redattore mares. Seems to be a potent cross.
You can use Equineline's Free 5x Pedigree to see that. Either putting in a real horse from that cross or doing hypothetical and using the stallion over a mare by the other stallion, make sure you have Interactive Nicking box checked, I always leave the TrueNicks box checked but it will only return results for stallions that are subscribed to TrueNicks. Then you have to tell them you aren't a robot. The info shows up below the pedigree.

6 Redattore mares have been bred to Agnes Gold to produce 12 foals of racing age, 11 starters, 10 winners, 3 SWs(25%), $296,815 earnings, AEI 2.70
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Flanders wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:57 pm
Starine wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:26 pm I wonder what the strike rate is for Agnes Gold to Redattore mares. Seems to be a potent cross.
You can use Equineline's Free 5x Pedigree to see that. Either putting in a real horse from that cross or doing hypothetical and using the stallion over a mare by the other stallion, make sure you have Interactive Nicking box checked, I always leave the TrueNicks box checked but it will only return results for stallions that are subscribed to TrueNicks. Then you have to tell them you aren't a robot. The info shows up below the pedigree.

6 Redattore mares have been bred to Agnes Gold to produce 12 foals of racing age, 11 starters, 10 winners, 3 SWs(25%), $296,815 earnings, AEI 2.70
Thanks. Looks like the cross is productive.
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Starine wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:40 pm
Flanders wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:57 pm
Starine wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:26 pm I wonder what the strike rate is for Agnes Gold to Redattore mares. Seems to be a potent cross.
You can use Equineline's Free 5x Pedigree to see that. Either putting in a real horse from that cross or doing hypothetical and using the stallion over a mare by the other stallion, make sure you have Interactive Nicking box checked, I always leave the TrueNicks box checked but it will only return results for stallions that are subscribed to TrueNicks. Then you have to tell them you aren't a robot. The info shows up below the pedigree.

6 Redattore mares have been bred to Agnes Gold to produce 12 foals of racing age, 11 starters, 10 winners, 3 SWs(25%), $296,815 earnings, AEI 2.70
Thanks. Looks like the cross is productive.
Thanks Flanders. :D
I believe that the Agnes Gold x Redattore cross is very productive as 2.70 is a very good score as AEI and 10/11 winners/starters is excellent.

I've looked into AEI numbers of other major crosses with Agnes Gold that produced considerable number of progeny.

Agnes Gold(JPN) x Wild Event(BRZ) = AEI 2.20 , 25/29 winners/starters
Agnes Gold(JPN) x Roi Normand(USA) = AEI 1.55 , 24/29 winners/starters
Agnes Gold(JPN) x Northern Afleet(USA) = AEI 2.40 , 13/17 winners/starters
Agnes Gold(JPN) x Crimson Tide(IRE) = AEI 2.88 , 10/12 winners/starters
Agnes Gold(JPN) x Redattore(BRZ) = AEI 2.70 , 10/11 winners/starters
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-- from Jockey Club Brasileiro:

https://jcb.com.br/home/noticias/401070 ... lo-do-ano/

Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick/Sunday Silence), who achieved the Brazilian Derby - Grande Premio Brasil double, was elected the 2022/2023 Horse of the Year (Mossoro Trophy winner) in addition to the best 3-year-old Colt.
Hat Trick(JPN) was also represented by the best 2yo colt Figaro(BRZ).

Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence) was named the best stallion.
He was also represented by the best 2yo filly Orla de Ipanema(BRZ), the best older horse Doutor Sureño(BRZ) and the best stayer Bacilo(BRZ) in the process.

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Raptor's(BRZ) : 2019C. Hat Trick(JPN) x Eurotrip(BRZ) by Wild Event(USA), under jockey Joao Moreira
photo: https://jcb.com.br

-- full results

Horse of the Year – Raptor's(BRZ)(Hat Trick)

2 year old colt – Figaro(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
2 year old filly – Orla de Ipanema(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
3 year old colt – Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
3 year old filly – Kenlova(BRZ)(Didimo)
Older mare – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Older horse – Doutor Sureño(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Miler – Ushuaia Ibiza(BRZ)(Gloria de Campeao)
Sprinter – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Stayer - Bacilo(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Dirt – Kopenhagen(BRZ)(Midshipman)

Stallion – Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence)
Domestic-bred Stallion – Chronnos(BRZ)(Elusive Quality)
Broodmare – Notavel Sureña(BRZ)(Redattore) 8-)

Trainer – Luis Esteves
Jockey – João Moreira 8-)
Breeder – Haras Anderson
Owner – Haras do Morro
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thank you for posting tachyon! was going to but after getting eye surgery it's kinda tough to type much :roll: :lol:
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brunanas wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:28 pm thank you for posting tachyon! was going to but after getting eye surgery it's kinda tough to type much :roll: :lol:
You are welcome, brunanas!
And I have a question for you.
Is Notavel Surena, the broodmare of the year by Redattore, still breeding?
If she is, I hope she will be bred to Ivar!!!!
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tachyon wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:10 am
brunanas wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:28 pm thank you for posting tachyon! was going to but after getting eye surgery it's kinda tough to type much :roll: :lol:
You are welcome, brunanas!
And I have a question for you.
Is Notavel Surena, the broodmare of the year by Redattore, still breeding?
If she is, I hope she will be bred to Ivar!!!!
i do believe she is - she had a foal last year - however i have to wait for registry time to see if she's been bred for 2023 :(
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tachyon wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:49 pm -- from Jockey Club Brasileiro:

https://jcb.com.br/home/noticias/401070 ... lo-do-ano/

Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick/Sunday Silence), who achieved the Brazilian Derby - Grande Premio Brasil double, was elected the 2022/2023 Horse of the Year (Mossoro Trophy winner) in addition to the best 3-year-old Colt.
Hat Trick(JPN) was also represented by the best 2yo colt Figaro(BRZ).

Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence) was named the best stallion.
He was also represented by the best 2yo filly Orla de Ipanema(BRZ), the best older horse Doutor Sureño(BRZ) and the best stayer Bacilo(BRZ) in the process.

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Raptor's(BRZ) : 2019C. Hat Trick(JPN) x Eurotrip(BRZ) by Wild Event(USA), under jockey Joao Moreira
photo: https://jcb.com.br

-- full results

Horse of the Year – Raptor's(BRZ)(Hat Trick)

2 year old colt – Figaro(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
2 year old filly – Orla de Ipanema(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
3 year old colt – Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
3 year old filly – Kenlova(BRZ)(Didimo)
Older mare – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Older horse – Doutor Sureño(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Miler – Ushuaia Ibiza(BRZ)(Gloria de Campeao)
Sprinter – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Stayer - Bacilo(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Dirt – Kopenhagen(BRZ)(Midshipman)

Stallion – Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence)
Domestic-bred Stallion – Chronnos(BRZ)(Elusive Quality)
Broodmare – Notavel Sureña(BRZ)(Redattore) 8-)

Trainer – Luis Esteves
Jockey – João Moreira 8-)
Breeder – Haras Anderson
Owner – Haras do Morro
Raptor's has been sold and will race in the USA, to be trained by Mark Casse. longterm goal is the BC Turf.

https://jcb.com.br/home/noticias/401311 ... a-nos-eua/
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brunanas wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:27 pm
tachyon wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:49 pm -- from Jockey Club Brasileiro:

https://jcb.com.br/home/noticias/401070 ... lo-do-ano/

Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick/Sunday Silence), who achieved the Brazilian Derby - Grande Premio Brasil double, was elected the 2022/2023 Horse of the Year (Mossoro Trophy winner) in addition to the best 3-year-old Colt.
Hat Trick(JPN) was also represented by the best 2yo colt Figaro(BRZ).

Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence) was named the best stallion.
He was also represented by the best 2yo filly Orla de Ipanema(BRZ), the best older horse Doutor Sureño(BRZ) and the best stayer Bacilo(BRZ) in the process.

-- full results

Horse of the Year – Raptor's(BRZ)(Hat Trick)

2 year old colt – Figaro(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
2 year old filly – Orla de Ipanema(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
3 year old colt – Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
3 year old filly – Kenlova(BRZ)(Didimo)
Older mare – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Older horse – Doutor Sureño(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Miler – Ushuaia Ibiza(BRZ)(Gloria de Campeao)
Sprinter – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Stayer - Bacilo(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Dirt – Kopenhagen(BRZ)(Midshipman)

Stallion – Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence)
Domestic-bred Stallion – Chronnos(BRZ)(Elusive Quality)
Broodmare – Notavel Sureña(BRZ)(Redattore) 8-)

Trainer – Luis Esteves
Jockey – João Moreira 8-)
Breeder – Haras Anderson
Owner – Haras do Morro
Raptor's has been sold and will race in the USA, to be trained by Mark Casse. longterm goal is the BC Turf.

https://jcb.com.br/home/noticias/401311 ... a-nos-eua/
Thanks so much for the updates, brunanas!! :D
Raptor's(BRZ) already earned an automatic berth to the BC Turf when he won the G1 Grande Premio Brasil, didn't he?
So, Hat Trick(JPN) could be represented by two BC starters this year at Santa Anita in Raptor's and Macadamia(BRZ)!!!

And I'm glad to hear that Notavel Sureña(BRZ)(Redattore) is still producing.
Here's hoping her owner will choose Ivar(BRZ)(Agnes Gold) even if he is standing at stud in Argentina.
(I have absolutely no idea if sending a broodmare from Brazil to Argentina for breeding is realistic, though...)
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tachyon wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:16 pm
brunanas wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:27 pm
tachyon wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:49 pm -- from Jockey Club Brasileiro:

https://jcb.com.br/home/noticias/401070 ... lo-do-ano/

Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick/Sunday Silence), who achieved the Brazilian Derby - Grande Premio Brasil double, was elected the 2022/2023 Horse of the Year (Mossoro Trophy winner) in addition to the best 3-year-old Colt.
Hat Trick(JPN) was also represented by the best 2yo colt Figaro(BRZ).

Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence) was named the best stallion.
He was also represented by the best 2yo filly Orla de Ipanema(BRZ), the best older horse Doutor Sureño(BRZ) and the best stayer Bacilo(BRZ) in the process.

-- full results

Horse of the Year – Raptor's(BRZ)(Hat Trick)

2 year old colt – Figaro(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
2 year old filly – Orla de Ipanema(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
3 year old colt – Raptor’s(BRZ)(Hat Trick)
3 year old filly – Kenlova(BRZ)(Didimo)
Older mare – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Older horse – Doutor Sureño(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Miler – Ushuaia Ibiza(BRZ)(Gloria de Campeao)
Sprinter – Oriana do Iguassu(BRZ)(Tiger Heart)
Stayer - Bacilo(BRZ)(Agnes Gold)
Dirt – Kopenhagen(BRZ)(Midshipman)

Stallion – Agnes Gold(JPN)(Sunday Silence)
Domestic-bred Stallion – Chronnos(BRZ)(Elusive Quality)
Broodmare – Notavel Sureña(BRZ)(Redattore) 8-)

Trainer – Luis Esteves
Jockey – João Moreira 8-)
Breeder – Haras Anderson
Owner – Haras do Morro
Raptor's has been sold and will race in the USA, to be trained by Mark Casse. longterm goal is the BC Turf.

https://jcb.com.br/home/noticias/401311 ... a-nos-eua/
Thanks so much for the updates, brunanas!! :D
Raptor's(BRZ) already earned an automatic berth to the BC Turf when he won the G1 Grande Premio Brasil, didn't he?
So, Hat Trick(JPN) could be represented by two BC starters this year at Santa Anita in Raptor's and Macadamia(BRZ)!!!

And I'm glad to hear that Notavel Sureña(BRZ)(Redattore) is still producing.
Here's hoping her owner will choose Ivar(BRZ)(Agnes Gold) even if he is standing at stud in Argentina.
(I have absolutely no idea if sending a broodmare from Brazil to Argentina for breeding is realistic, though...)
yes, it was an WAYI!
from what i usually see when checking the Argentinian studbook — most mares covered by Argentinian stallions are also based in Argentina. it seems that Notavel Sureña has also been covered exclusively by Brazilian-based sires. but who knows?! maybe! it's realistic imo, not much different from sending mares around Europe to be bred.
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Video: ''The Legend of Sunday Silence''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxd-z_w2Us

This film has been uploaded to youtube recently.
It's all about Sunday Silence!!!
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tachyon wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:02 am Video: ''The Legend of Sunday Silence''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxd-z_w2Us

This film has been uploaded to youtube recently.
It's all about Sunday Silence!!!
Thank you for sharing, I look forward to watching it when I have free time tomorrow.
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Another update on Princess Grace from the Daily Racing Form!

https://www.drf.com/news/australia-amer ... up-1-debut
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Gemini wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:01 pm Another update on Princess Grace from the Daily Racing Form!

https://www.drf.com/news/australia-amer ... up-1-debut
Thanks Gemini for the heads-up! :D
I'll cheer for Princess Grace today!!!!
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Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:45 pm

Princess Grace(USA) finished 2nd in the G1 Winx Stakes 1400m turf at Randwick, Australia, on August 19th 2023.
That was a tough beat but really a great run for the daughter of Karakontie!

-- replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5XjuYlQIbc
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Today is August 19th.
It's been 21 years since the great Sunday Silence passed away.

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tachyon wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:52 pm Today is August 19th.
It's been 21 years since the great Sunday Silence passed away.
Time has flown.

The news of his death was just sort of deflating.
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-- from Netkeiba.com

''Life and the future of soon-to-be the great sire Kitasan Black''
https://en.netkeiba.com/news/news_detail.html?id=466

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The son of Black Tide (Sunday Silence) covered 242 mares this year.

https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001155349/
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Auguste Rodin(IRE), 2020C. Deep Impact(JPN) x Rhododendron(IRE) by Galileo(IRE), captured his fourth G1 title in the Irish Champion Stakes 2000m turf under Ryan Moore at Leopardstown on Sep 9th 2023.

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-- replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8mEZOmsxb0
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-- from Netkeiba.com

Matsurida Gogh(JPN), 20yo, has been retired from stud duty and will be pensioned at Okada Stud where he was bred in 2003.
2007 Arima KInen (G1) winner and stallion at Lex Stud is from the final crop of Sunday Silence(USA).

https://en.netkeiba.com/news/news_detail.html?id=477

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-- replay of the 2007 G1 Arima Kinen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHokl9gyeNg
1st. Matsurida Gogh(JPN)(Sunday Silence)
2nd. Daiwa Scarlet(JPN)(Agnes Tachyon)
3rd. Daiwa Major(JPN)(Sunday Silence)

Matsurida Gogh(JPN) : 2003H. Sunday Silence(USA) x Paper Rain(USA) by Bel Bolide(USA)
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0000762445/
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